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  2014 ANNUAL MEETING 'NEW LIGHT'

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it-1 p. 523 - "just before israel entered the promised land, in 1473 b.c.e., jehovah made a covenant with natural israel at moab.

  " (de 29:1; 1:3) .

  why deceptively use the word "natural"?

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  raymond frantz

  Excellent verses ,I will use them in my debates from now on .Not surprisingly the Watchtower Library's comments on these verses are in Watchtower of 1938 which is post-great crowd light,and it would be interesting to see what they said back then
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  Donations aren't coming in from Western Countries: more confirmation

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in talking to sparky the elder today (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/263862/1/an-elder-called-me-hes-waking-up-and-knew-id-understand-nice-for-him-to-have-a-friend) i found out he did the accounts for our congregation for years.

  he said very rarely did the congregation meet its expenses without some well-off brother chipping in a few grand here and there.

  the elders would also make up the shortfall.

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  raymond frantz

  As previously mentioned, the society is not becoming poorer .All theis operations are financed by the rank and file either money or voluntary work .They are very well off ,there's no money going down EVER ,it is always the other way around...
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  A possible scenario :The fall of the REAL BABYLON the GREAT

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  we all know how heavily indoctrinated is the average jw .in fact there is nothing that will prove to him/her that the gb is not god's channel or is there ?.

  think about the following scenario that today seems possible and logical to happen in the near future : the watchtower is constantly telling us that in the future the start of the great tribulation will be the fall of babylon the great (that is the all false religion including so called christian denominations) then there will be an attack on god's people but what if the exact opposite is true ?.

  the scenario : due to upcoming court cases conscerning pedophilia and other scandals the society goes bust and shuts operations as a corporation worldwide... and then nothing happens .the life continues as usual ,babylon the great is still standing and all other religions continue operation as they had before .also all jehovah's witnesses remain unaffected by their goverments without persecution or other impliccations.what would that tell the average jw?

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  raymond frantz

  We all know how heavily indoctrinated is the average JW .In fact there is nothing that will prove to him/her that the GB is not God's channel or is there ?

  Think about the following scenario that today seems possible and logical to happen in the near future : The Watchtower is constantly telling us that in the future the start of the Great Tribulation will be the fall of Babylon the Great (that is the all false religion including so called Christian denominations) THEN there will be an attack on God's people BUT what if the exact opposite is true ?

  THE SCENARIO : Due to upcoming court cases conscerning pedophilia and other scandals the Society goes bust and shuts operations as a corporation worldwide... AND THEN nothing happens .The life continues as usual ,Babylon the Great is still standing and all other religions continue operation as they had before .ALSO all Jehovah's Witnesses REMAIN unaffected by their goverments without persecution or other impliccations.What would that tell the average JW? Watchtower disappearing off the map without any indication of Babylon the Great's fall in sight or any implications for them ?

  QUESTIONS:

  1. Is this scenario possible?
  2. Would all other Christian Churches laugh at the fall of the organisation that predicted their own end ?
  3. Would that awake the average JW?(REMEMBER NO PERSECUTION NO PANIC ATTACK SCENARIOS IN THEIR MIND)
  4. Would that loosen the grip of this vile organisation on its people?

  Your thoughts....
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  Did Jesus really exist?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i had been wondering over the past few years whether there really was a historical jesus at all, until a few months ago when i read bart ehrman's latest book "did jesus exist?

  " initially i was persuaded by his argument that the nt contains multiple sources that testify to jesus' existence.

  but more recently i have been reading the christ myth position of richard carrier and his responses to ehrman.

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  raymond frantz

  @designs ,I'm fine with that we live in a free society it is your right and my right to differ
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  Did Jesus really exist?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i had been wondering over the past few years whether there really was a historical jesus at all, until a few months ago when i read bart ehrman's latest book "did jesus exist?

  " initially i was persuaded by his argument that the nt contains multiple sources that testify to jesus' existence.

  but more recently i have been reading the christ myth position of richard carrier and his responses to ehrman.

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  raymond frantz

  @designs ,don't give me your psychonalysis lingo! YOu call it Transference I call it Faith ,faith is based in facts is not a feeling ,that's blind faith(your blind faith to psychoanalysis maybe)
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  Did Jesus really exist?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i had been wondering over the past few years whether there really was a historical jesus at all, until a few months ago when i read bart ehrman's latest book "did jesus exist?

  " initially i was persuaded by his argument that the nt contains multiple sources that testify to jesus' existence.

  but more recently i have been reading the christ myth position of richard carrier and his responses to ehrman.

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  raymond frantz

  @SLIMBOYFAT ,isn't "Ascention of Isaiah"a late second century apocryphal text made up from different sources with an unknown author ?Can that be used as evidence for historicity of Jesus or more likely as a Gnostic apocrypha document of short?
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  Did Jesus really exist?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i had been wondering over the past few years whether there really was a historical jesus at all, until a few months ago when i read bart ehrman's latest book "did jesus exist?

  " initially i was persuaded by his argument that the nt contains multiple sources that testify to jesus' existence.

  but more recently i have been reading the christ myth position of richard carrier and his responses to ehrman.

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  raymond frantz

  @designs ,Jesus never promoted killing of others in the name of religion .If his supposed followers did that then it is their fault. On the other hand the Quran openly promotes the subversion of others with use of violence as a good thing
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  Did Jesus really exist?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i had been wondering over the past few years whether there really was a historical jesus at all, until a few months ago when i read bart ehrman's latest book "did jesus exist?

  " initially i was persuaded by his argument that the nt contains multiple sources that testify to jesus' existence.

  but more recently i have been reading the christ myth position of richard carrier and his responses to ehrman.

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  raymond frantz

  @designs ,don't confuse Jesus ,with evil Christianity that uses his name for manipulation and power ...
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  Did Jesus really exist?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i had been wondering over the past few years whether there really was a historical jesus at all, until a few months ago when i read bart ehrman's latest book "did jesus exist?

  " initially i was persuaded by his argument that the nt contains multiple sources that testify to jesus' existence.

  but more recently i have been reading the christ myth position of richard carrier and his responses to ehrman.

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  raymond frantz

  @LostGeneration ,I agree there are many questions unanswered in the Bible ,is that enough reason to refute Jesus' historicity or God's power all together ?May I suggest we wait and see .We will be given the answers in time .
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  Did Jesus really exist?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i had been wondering over the past few years whether there really was a historical jesus at all, until a few months ago when i read bart ehrman's latest book "did jesus exist?

  " initially i was persuaded by his argument that the nt contains multiple sources that testify to jesus' existence.

  but more recently i have been reading the christ myth position of richard carrier and his responses to ehrman.

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  raymond frantz

  Patience my friend ,patience...